Michelle McManus - Laughing-Stock Idol 2003

Posted at 8:24 PM on 21 December 2003

Congatulations to Michelle McManus - you might not be able to sing but cloth-eared Brits voted for you anyway. Good luck for the future. You'll need it.

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Comments on "Michelle McManus - Laughing-Stock Idol 2003"

not very happy with this year's result then huh?

shrugs

My Mrs. thinks I'm turning into Pete Waterman :-)

I think you mean cloth-eared Scots. not Brits.

Your are all a bunch of sad children slagging of a perfectly good singer just because a person who you liked didnt win pop idol this women was fantastic she sang all this time, on the radio and the meaning of love fantastic and she deserved to win the whole thing just because of her weight people slag her of like u in the end u just didnt like the fact that she won because she is the best on the night, want some advice "GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!" BEFORE U GET MORE ANGRY POSTS. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I admit to not having watched the thing, but why did "she deserve[d] to win the whole thing just because of her weight"?!?! I thought it was supposed to be about singing, not whether someone had eaten enough food to survive the winter ...

This is a very sad affair, why are you arguing over this? If you dont like her music dont buy it! Nevertheless im sure she's going to be a multi millionaire and your not! So you've got your come uppence for your childish and hurtful remark!

more likely she'll be fleeced by the likes of waterman and co, before being cast aside by the oh so fickle british media.

you can tell I am bored today can't you?

listen here im from glasgow in scotland from michelles home town andn im proud 2 be scottish we aint clothe eared scots and u english are pigs who think u ca rule the country well think agin MATE u are all PIGS. well done to michelle who won just because u wanted your english to win well u are all giving ur selfs a showing up.

well said lauren (is that a girl or boys name ?, we scotch certainley showd them English people a thing about singing and beauty. Cant stop long Ive run out of buckie............hic

Quote: "we scotch certainley showd them English people a thing about singing and beauty"

Yeah - I think you showed us that it doesn't exist in Scotland.

I can't wait to hear Michelle's cover of 'Who ate all the pies'

I think that people are getting it all wrong here.Whether she is fat or thin, it should all be about the singing.Other people sang better than Michelle but people are now saying 'Thank god that someone normal can win'.
This is very sad, as it is not normal to be overweight (in her case obese) and one of the main problems that the British have is the increasingly high number of overweight youths.
This is causing major health and economic problems and should definitely not be encouraged.Very few people are fat because they are ill: most are because they overeat and don't exercise.
I find it appalling that someone who portrays this is found to be 'brave' and other such things, when she should be made see the truth and start living healthily.

Scotch people are so sad aren't they. They all vote for Fatty just because she's from Scotland. It's always the same. Scotch idiots just resent the English because history has proved we're better than they are. They really shouldn't be trusted with running their own country.
As for Fatty, well she's so utterly talentless that I think she'll have disappeared by March. Still, no doubt she'll spend the rest of her life singing at Scotch weddings to tone-deaf English hating brainwashed Jocks.

Just so people don't get the wrong impression I'd like to make it clear that I have nothing against overweight people. If you recall there were TWO large ladies in Pop Idol, the aforementioned Fatty from Scotland and also there was Kym from England. Kym actually had quite a good voice (unlike Fatty's nasally whine). Kym also had an engaging personality and knew how to make the best of herself with regard to her physical appearance. By contrast it must be said that Fatty is stone cold pot ugly and about as appealing as the backside of a hippopotamus. I'm sure that if they were honest with themselves most Scotch people would agree with me that she is totally ghastly.

I cannot see what all the English people are whinning about. Its quite simple really, the best person won the contest, if the people down past the wall take it personally then that makes no difference. The English have always whinged when we beat them and they always will......

I think some of you here are really mean! You're slagging Michelle off because of her weight! Why do you have to do that? Why can't you just be happy for her? She's got loads of talent and will last for years!

scotch = drink
scot = person

no?

(just dotting the 'i's...)

Well I think everyone who has posted bitchy comments should get a bloody grip. Michelle CAN sing, she's not the most attractive bird ever but she can sing. As for Scots, we are British, just like the English and the sooner you lot realise that, the better. Now grow up, and give Michelle a break, she was best on the night and deserved it that night. Yes, I think other people deserved to win overall but she was best on the night. If you don't like her music, DON'T BUY IT. There... Problem solved!!

The problem with Fatty winning is that people from other countries might see her (for example
there could be a World Idol 2 contest) and this is going to be deeply embarrassing for us English folks. Americans ain't too hot on the geography and most of them think Scotland is in England. They'll see useless Fatty murdering some classic song and they're going to be sniggering at England and thinking that we're rubbish. And it'll be the fault of those stupid braindead Scotch morons who boted for her in the first place. I think if World Idol 2 DOES happen we're going to have to find some way to substitute Roxanne in place of Fatty. To save face and prevent us from being a laughing stock. Does anyone agree we should start up a petition for this?

Bless her, she ain't that bad a singer. She is a bit of a minger though, I (like that queeny German dresser they had, Mads or whatever his name was) would have changed my sexual preference for Susanne, but definately not for her. I have a feeling that the most money she's going to make is from the lucrative world of modelling for Evans. I bet Mark wouldn't have spent his winnings on deep fried mars bars and cans of special brew.
I suspect Michelle will be spotted by Heat magazine in a couple of years time trying in vain to get into a party with Narinder and Penny from Big Brother.

MESSAGE FOR ABOVE POST "AMANDA" I BET IF U WERE STANDING INFRONT OF ME I COULD EASILY SLAG U OFF AND RIGHT NOW ID LOVE TO DO IT! U SOUND AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT LOW-LIFE GROW UP! U SILLY IDIOT!

SORRY MY COMMENT WAS FOR PAOLO!!!! U SAD LOW LIFE.

People may think I have been a trifle harsh with regard to my comments concerning Fatty but I am
genuinely concerned that her appearance at a World Idol 2 event would put Britain in a bad light.
I'm thinking that if we start e-mailing Simon Cowell's record company at this early stage then
we may be able to prevent this debacle from occurring. It seems to me that Roxanne in particular would be a far more appealing repesentative for Britain. If any readers of this message are in doubt please let me five you five good reasons why.

1) Roxanne is a fit bird. Fatty, on the other hand, is about as alluring as Elton John's arsehole hairs.

2) Roxanne is refined and sophisticated. Fatty, on the other hand, is a loud and vulgar beer guzzling ladette. A very bad role model for young citizens.

3) Roxanne has a sweet and melodious voice. Fatty's voice is like listening to a pneumatic drill when you've got a hangover.

4) Roxanne is from England. Fatty, on the other hand, is from Scotland. :(

5) Roxanne has a beautiful smile. Fatty, on the other hand, doesn't.

So you see, Roxanne is SUPERIOR IN EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT. As I've said before, people from other
countries will be watching this event and Fatty's participation will paint England in a most unfavourable light. It's not enough for us to say "Oh well she's from Scotland actually, that's why she's so awful."
Because, we, in England, might know that Scotch people are generally less talented and sophisticated but citizens in other countries will make no such distinction. They will tar us all with the same brush. The participation of a well fit young woman like Roxanne is what is needed and would make England a very appealing destination for tourists. It might even strengthen our Olympic bid. These things are very important.

I think that next year the Pop Idol results must be done via a regional points system to put an end
to this silly nationalistic voting from the lesser countries.

YES, she has won! YES, she can sing! YES, so what if she is over weight?!! and YES, she is normal!

BUT....

NO, she was not the best! NO, she is not unique! NO, she is not an artist! NO, she has no glamour or big personality...

OK! Strangely enough as I was writing this Michelle's video came up on the box and I must admit I was touched, but it is not by Michelle, but by the story of a "dream come true" and the video is very much about it as it features with her the road to her win, it even featured Susanne Manning at the back a few times and WOW
Susanne is the complete opposite to Michelle; they both see nice and all, but Susanne has what Michelle is lacking. People in their 20's and 30's would have gone to buy Susanne's record; I doubt if they do so with Michelle's.
Reason?
Depth of character, voice, presence and soul.
Sorry people

paolo go away mate ur views are so boring and dont even deserve web space! on the night michelle mcmanus won pop idol more votes were cast than of the previous pop idol show....over ten million infact. in a couple of weeks time michelle mcmanus will have a number 1 single. paolo ur boring now with ur views and for every1 else reading this : do not add fuel to the fire! do not comment or reply any further to these idiots remarks. and maybe hell crawl back under his lonely stone....ATTACK MICHELLE U ATTACK HER FANS!!!!!!AND THERES TEN MILLION OF US MATE!

No there aren't 10 million Michelle McManus fans. 10 million people didn't vote for her. 10 million votes were cast. Most of these votes were cast but multiple voters (how many times did YOU vote for her?), lets say the average number of votes per person was 4 each. that takes the figure down to 2.5 million.
Now, let's say Michelle got 60% of the vote (I REALLY can't see her getting any more than that). from the 2.5 million above, that gives her 1.5 million fans, who care enough to vote for her.

i know the figures are a bit fuzzy, but it proves there definately aren't 10 million of you.

Michelle CAN sing this is shown by the fact she WON pop idol.DUH!!!
And wot is with all the slagging off scotland?Im from england and i voted for her, so????
If you have nothing better 2 do than slag an unknown person off who u know nuthing about, go ahead u sad losers.

Some people hated Will because they wanted Gareth to win, and people like you are doing it with Michelle. She has a good vioce, and that is the reason she won. She isnt crap because a couple of people post it on the internet... The factis that she is good, why else would Millions people vote for her?

And another thing... It wasnt just Scotland who voted for her. England did too. It couldnt have been the Scottish vote, because you are 3 times the size of us. You are the same as that specky fart face Pete Waterman who left in a bad mood because Mark didnt win.. If they are going to be sore losers about Michelle winning, let them.

The people who are slagging people off really need a life!!
Firstly ok so Michelle may not be the skinnest in the world but She is very talented and that Whats is the most important thing here, she didn't enter a slimming-world contest she entered a Singing contest(or Are most of you forgetting that here?)

Everyone has there opinions if you want to slag michelle off then slag her off but your just wasting your time because most english and scotish people will support her, wether you 'bitchy' people like it or not.

What has Being a better country got to do with Michelle? BIG DEAL if your country is better, as if we care, England will be remembered in History for winning the world war 1 and 2!!So we have something to be proud of, as well!! but if i wanted to brag about our country i wouldn't come here to do it.And no-one can actually say another country is better than another just because america might have a piece of equipment that britain don't have, russia could have a piece of equipent that america don't have, wip a dee do dar day just cause you've got a piece a paper that says 'BEST COUNTRY' OR WHATEVER doesn't exactly make you the best country just because you've got something more hi~teched!

Well back to my point in the first place.

Ok like someone said michelle may not have 10 million fans but saying 4 votes for each peron wouldnt exactly work because someone could of voted 3 times whereas someone else could of voted once so if you share that between the 2 of them you get 2 votes each.
So lets say 2 votes for each peron that makes 5 million fans
and lets say about 70% of the vote (since mark only got 30 or something like that) So that would make michelle with around 3 to 3 and a half million fans!

The person who is getting 'frills over Roxanne then go and post them somewhere else this is to do with michelle notRoxanne, so what is she was skinny but doesn't popstars being fin cause a bad influence on teenagers? Yep it sure does will be your anser, you see i don't understand some people one minute there moaning about Skinny popstars being wrong for teenagers and saying skinny popstars shouldnt engourage teens to diet so at long final last we get somone different and you still go off in a huff well heres some words for you 'thing before you speak' And for god sake make up your mind.

Also You have no idea if michelle drinks alot of beer and ethier does anyone else, for all you roxanne could be a heathy drinker after all she is young!Michelle has a nice smile it' probably alot better than yours!And Scotland is so close to England that many people just class it as England, It doesn't really matter where anyone cae from there still a human being!

I am not scottish but i will stick up for them and they are not sad they are down to earth people just like SOME of you here, But getting to the pont of this paragraph It wasnt just scottish people who voted it was England as well, and if you don't like that then TUFF!

How do you know theres going to be a world idol 2?If there is it won't put a bad influence on England we voted her(and so did the scottish)SO THAT MEANS WE WANTED HER AND ARE PROUD OF HER, We don't care what other people think, that up to them, but she will have our support a 100% of the way!

True brit you said you can't wait till Michelle's cover version of 'who ate all the pies' Well you'll be waiting along time m8!!And if she did do it Your name would come up some where!

The scottish didnt have to show us they had great singers we already knew and we like michelle scottish or english!

And also chris your the one with cloth-ears mate, anyone who things michelle cant sing has cloth-ears, if you were blind u'd sure like her then!!
Forget about her weight and thing about her voice!(But like i said before your opinion is your opinion!)

ive watched pop idol from the start n my first impressions was "ugh look at michelle" but then i realised it all counted on the voice not appearence i mean its not called pop idol for nothing is it?! michelle has a great vioce but i have to admit she doesnt really look like a pop idol where as sam,mark,roxanne,chris and the rest of the final 10 did apart from kym

I didnt say she couldnt sing, Im 100% with her. I think it is great that someone who is no supermodel can win a big compition like Pop Idol. It just shows you some decent parts of our counrty vote on her vioce.

Okay I want people to know Im not the person who said Michelle was bad. So I will start putting -'s around my name, I didnt know there was another guy called Chris.
News just in... Do you know Michelle was the most requested song on the Box this week! So us cloth eared Brits must want to hear her a whole lot more. Idiot.

Why do people keep saying that "Oh those idiot Scots vote for Michelle and not Mark" DUH! And again like I have said, England outnumbers Scotland toatally, So it aint the Scottish vote she got.

I agree with all those English people that are sticking up for Michelle, she may be fat, the person who chose her clothes for the TV made her look even worse so when she loses a few stones and sorts out her nasally voice I am sure she will do well.

Bonny Scotchland

TO ALL U DUMB ENGLISH PEOPLE, U MAY THINK THAT U R BETTER THAN US SCOTS, BUT NO. JUST BECAUSE U HAVE POSH ACCENTS AND WALK AND TALK LIKE SNOBS DOES NOT MEAN U R BETTER. WE HAVE FAR BETTER, MORE SUCCESFUL TALENT SUCH AS ROD STEWART AND LULU. ALSO, WEN WE WIN THINGS, THE ENGLISH ALWAYS SAY "OH THE BRITISH HAVE WON", BUT WEN THE ENGLISH WIN, IT'S "OH THE ENGLISH HAVE WON" STATE OF U! U THINK U R ALL THE BEST, BUT REALLY U JUST HAVE BANANAS STUCK UP UR A***S. GET A LIFE. MICHELLE WAS ALWAYS THE BEST. JUST BECAUSE SHE DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A POP IDOL (YET), NOR TAKE UR FANCY DOES NOT GIVE U THE RIGHT TO SLAG HER. AND ANYWAY WHY SHOULDN'T SHE HAVE? WILL WAS GAY LAST YEAR AND HE WON. HOW MANY GAY SINGERS DO U KNOW? HE BROKE THE MOULD, SO WHY CAN'T MICHELLE?

GIVE HER A CHANCE, AND SHUT UP! AT LEAST SHE'S GOT ONE FAN, ME!

I've been reading everyone's comments with interest. It certainly can't be disputed that Michelle's win has made people think about and reconsider the whole concept of a pop idol. That is no bad thing. Michelle's appearance is one aspect of her, not the totality of what she is. It's as unimportant as the colour of her eyes. Not so many years ago, the accepted wisdom by those who were so called in the know was that white people would never buy music by black artists. Times change. Talent will triumph, regardless of race, religion, nationality, size or social background. When will people realise that? The material issue is that she can sing, can engage an audience and entertain people.

But back to the essential point. I love Michelle's voice - she was one of a few contestants this year who were able to display vocal talents consistently in each genre, showing a real versatility and determination. Her bubbly personality and ability to be herself also appealed to many. This opinion was shared by enough people to make her the pop idol.

As noted by many above, the population of Scotland would make it nigh impossible for her to have won on the strength of the Scottish vote alone. And to try to win a argument about a singer by harking back to old worn and frankly uninteresting arguments about Scotland v England is so passe and futile that it only reflects badly on those trying to do so. They obviously have no other way of winning their argument - ie have no way to articulate their opinion with clarity and conviction let alone facts and truth. And they need to read a history book, if they believe that Scots have not been key in shaping the world as we know it.

Chris why lie about what you said it's in your post and ill post it again for you! You said on the 21st december 2003 at 08:24pm:Congatulations to Michelle McManus - you might not be able to sing but cloth-eared Brits voted for you anyway. Good luck for the future. You'll need it. The words are there chris so theres no point in lying mate.

Also 'wee scottish lass' i am with you scottish people 110% i've got scottish in my blood!! i said in my post i was with you, and 'us english' as you say don't say oh the english have won we say yer michelle has won, ignore the ignorant bitchy english people that don't know shit! It wasn't just scotland who voted it was the england as well,if it was just scotland then she wouldn't have won, so don't think it was just you, read everyones posts befor you speak ay? otherwise your going to be writing all the wrong things on your posts!

I hope you take theis in a friendly matter

Yes, Chris is an awful liar isn't he. Fancy not having the bottle to stand up for one's
original convictions.

Anyway, ignoring one or two illiterate idiots the general consensus seems to be that Fatty
only won due to excessively jingoistic voting by the Scotch nation. Normally I would just
shrug my shoulders and roll my eyes and leave it at that.

However, there is one really big problem. Pop Idol may be over but now Fatty is about to
release a record. I know, I know, what an appalling prospect. This is horrendous news.
We thought Fatty was over but now we're gouing to have to endure her nasally whine and
ugly fizzog all over again. Apparently advance sales south of the border amount to
only fifty copies but unfortunately Scotch sales will be added in so the record will probably
make the top forty. :( Why can't the Scotch have their own charts and not cause problems with
ours? The only consolation is that Fatty's career will be over by March but it could be
a ghastly next few months. :(

Just to point out, whilst it is no doubt entertaining to read stupid people praising/slating Michelle for being Scottish/overweight/an excellent singer/a dreadful singer/an example to us all/etc. there is more than one person called "Chris" posting to this thread. READ THE COMMENTS.

Anyway, an aside:

Note to Scottish people who think English people are snobs, idiots, whatever: I don't care that you're Scottish. Moronic, racist posts such as yours slur your entire nation.

Note to English people who think Scottish people are thick, ignorant, whatever: I don't care that you're English. Moronic, racist posts such as yours slur your entire nation.

Thanks go to all the non-retards who managed to post comments without resorting to some age-old, half-baked arguments that serve no purpose either here or anywhere else.

Just to set the record straight, I don't have a problem with Michelle being either Scottish or overweight, or her personality. Simply: I don't like her singing voice. That's all. My entire objection in a nutshell. At least she can sing in tune. Much better than most of the other contestants on Pop Idol. (I may also have stated elsewhere that she is also quite ugly, but then so am I -- and it takes one to know one).

But my point is, regardless of how well she can sing in tune, her voice makes my ears bleed. I cringe everytime she goes for a high note. I have to turn the sound down on the telly when she's on in case a particularly resonant shriek shatters my glassware. I simply cannot listen to her sing. Something about her voice grates me up the wrong way, and I can't believe that others haven't noticed it too.

All the same, she won fair and square. More people voted for her than anyone else, and complaining about it isn't going to help. Is she going to have a long and successful career in the music business? No, I don't think so. I could still be proven wrong, but it seems less than likely she'll be troubling the top ten in twelve months unless she really ups her game and learns how to sing from her diaphragm rather than her throat.

Until she manages that, I will regard her in the same light as I do Blazin' Squad and Gareth Gates. I'll just hope there isn't a World Idol 2. (Well done Kurt, btw!)

P.S. To the Wee Scottish Lass who said, "WE HAVE FAR BETTER, MORE SUCCESFUL[sic] TALENT SUCH AS ROD STEWART AND LULU", thank you for making me laugh more than anyone else in years!

Well thanks Chris for making your argument without the racist whinings of those such as Paol. I appreciate that your opinion is that Michelle's vocal stylings are not to your liking and that your opinion is not based on ridiculous objections based on her appearance or nationality.

But it is only an opinion, as is mine, and each individual who has posted here. I think we have to remember one essential point - singing and music is entirely a subjective thing. What some people really like can be nothing short of awful to some others. That's why we need variety in our industry - to provide something for everyone. While I detest the likes of Busted and Blazin Squad and S Club and Atomic Kitten, they are obviously fitting some niche and catering to a demand that is out there.And so I accept their existence, and just choose not to buy their music. I suggest that those who don't like Michelle do the same, rather than whinge about it.

I do like Michelle and I like her style of singing. I find it engaging and emotionally moving. I agree she can probaby do with more work in terms of increasing her range and how to present a song, but she never claimed to be professional, and these are things that are learned as artists mature and progress. I hope she manages to do this, as well as choosing to have the right songs and surrounding herself with the right people in order to maintain a successful career. And I wish her all the best in that.

you are so sad. i bet your no oil painting.
what does it matter what size michelle is when its her music people are buying.
she has a great voice and looks nice in what she wears.
you must have a really boring life or 2 much time on your hands if you have time to sit around thinking about somebody elses wieght.

i have something to say to paolo you deserved to be slapped! don't dare call Michelle fatty because she may be a overweight but that doesn't give you the right to call her fatty. No-one is perfect and what do you have against scottish people? I am 100% scottish and i am proud of it!! even if Michelle does enter World Idol 2 she will do scotland proud and have you not seen the american idol Ruben Studdard? he is probably heavier than michelle and he has the voice of an angel and if he enters World Idol 2 i don't think america would become a laughing stock because of Ruben's weight and neither will Scotland!! I know Michelle has lots of fans who are proud of her ME AND ALL OF MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY WERE BACKING HER ALL THE WAY

FACT: michelle is scottish. FACT: michelle won pop idol 2. FACT: michelle will undoubtably have a number 1 single next week. FACT: English people love michelle just as much as Scottish people (who cares about shes scottish this is no big deal unless ur a biggoted english man...really no issue here eh?)....GO GIRL! UR LOVED IN ENGLAND TOO! LOVE YA! X X X X X X X X X X

NOBODY...i repeat NOBODY on this years Pop Idol is half as talented as Will Young...and no way will Michelle be celebrating a second number 1 album and having a 4 th number 1 single with a brit award under her belt like Will Young!

You english are a shower of TWATS. From the first moment I heard Michelle, I knew she was going to win. When someone outsings everyone else on the show then they deserve to win. Its that simple. The other singers were nothing compaired to Michelle. She not only out sung them, her personality out shone them also. So well done to Michelle for showing you english how to do it!!
Come on SCOTLAND.

Well, what can I possibly say about the comments posted on this page???

Whoever you are think back to a time when someone said something nasty about you....it isn't very nice is it ? Michelle did not enter Pop Idol to upset people and it was not her choice to win. People from both England and Scotland voted on the night and that is why Michelle won, so don't take it out on her.

Why should anyone care about her appearance, I am sure it is constantly buzzing around her head now that she has been catapulted into the public eye. A bit of encouragement would help.

Paulo - isn't that an Italian name ???? You are obviously a sad young lad who has nothing better to do, are you obese and ugly by any chance ?? ha ha

Watch out for wrist strain !

I'M BACK!

OK, so maybe I went slightly far the ;last time, but I still think I have a point, the english don't adjust to scottish winners well.

Anyway, if u think Rod Stewarts bad, then think about all the english crap we've had to listen to over the years:

- Fast Food Rockers
- Gareth Gates
- Victoria Beckham's returns to fame
- Jennifer Ellison
- Alex Parks
- Hear'say
- One True Voice
*** and to top it off, Jordan wants a singing career. Also, look at all the failed soap actors that think music careers are what they should try next. Give us all a break....

I'm not saying all english music is bad, but most scottish artists produce at least 'decent' records.

Don't get me wrong, I like some english music, just not all of it, and im not an english hater either, some are nice, but some just don't get it...

Whoever said that Michelle should be living a healthy life cant read every magazine that is out and features her Michelle lost 4st to appear in Pop Idol and is continuing to lose weight the healthy wait not like other celebrities who crash diet on Atkins Diets and other fads, my 3 daughters love Michelle and I think she is a good role model for them for 2 reasons 1) She is happy to be herself, who many people do u know who genuinely feel that way 2) She prove u can do anything if u put the work in, I was also a big Mark fan until he was in the final with Michelle. Michelle will be a big star, her voice is fantastic, look at Will everyone said he would bomb because he was Gay, he didnt. Look at Kurt who won World Idol, he wasnt astunner but his voice was amazing. Even if Michelle hadnt of won she would always have been my Pop Idol. So as us Scottish say to all Michelle haters "Git it right up ye" haha

I have read this board and found it so funny. I think the Scottish and English thing is not what matters. What matters is that Michelle was not the best singer and due to her appearence she had won the on the sympathy vote. I don't think thats fair on her nor the other contestants. Chances are she will bomb and no one will buy her single now. What a waste of time for all the others who took part in Pop Idol for the right reasons! Has anyone thought how Michelle going to feel after she has bombed...Flop Idol?

Good luck to her, I dont think she looks good at all, but at the same time, I don't wish her bad, I hope it works out. I just dont see it going any further for her. Bring back Sam and the others who were fantastic! People, please stop the Scottish/English divide, where you come from is not the issue here..it's about people and their lives..Peace and I hope you will all forget your differences..please..Thanks

come now sing with me
proper chrimbo
so excited you might wee

After reading all posts I think it is safe to say that Michelle CAN sing.

Obviously people seem to think different things.

Anyway, If she did get the sympathy vote because of her weight, hy wasn't kym second?

I think Michelle is a really good singer, although not quite the pop idol most had thought of, I think that favourites were a big issue in this year's voting and hopefully she'll succeed.

P.S. I also think that Pete waterman is a big imature child. He walked out of the set just because Michelle won, well wake up pete!

Also, She must have talent as she bet 19, 950 other people into the final 50, and 19,999 to win it!

Note to Chris: accept it.

Well if we are the topic of Michelle McManeater sorry Mcmanus I would like to say that the pop idol position was solely am waste of space. IF wer look at what the shows about we see that it is called POP IDOL not talent search not Looking for a star but POP idol. I will bet monmey with someone that, that girl will not make it beyond one year! Yes she has a good voice BUT so have many other people across the UK can make it just like her. She doesn't have what it takes the only criteria she fits well in to is Good voice, she doesn't have stage presence, she can't dance, and cannot be sexy. Now i am a big girl a size 16 but im not saying i could be the next britney coz i couldn't. The reason people buy peoples Cd's is due to Adoration and talent. Funnily enough people don't buy coz they got a good voice maybe if she mad her own records then she could give it a shot but all she has is a voice!

People at Pop Idol need to wake up and smell the Grease. Michelle Mcmanus is a bad investment the last big POP idol that made it was Alyson Moyet 20 YEARS AGO our society has changed since then and is looking for sex and seduction and adoration as well as a good voice

(also if she has lost 4 1/2 stone I am Britney Spears! She has put on wieght not lost it!

Jayde x

what a sad reflection on today's society, i would imagine that the average age of people posting comments here is about 12,
Children of the future...Pop music is dead...go read a book...live your life....travel the world

does anyone remember why punk happened ?

(susanne was the only talented one.....she is warm)

Hahahahhahahaha. She might have a tiny bit of talent, but she is no pop idol. I can see it now ... Top of the pops, she will be singing, but everyone would have to look the other way just incase they throw up.

SHES SO FAT

Sorry that last comment just blurted out without any real thought. This board is so funny though, and it is great that there are two sides to this arguement.

Can she sing? Maybe.
Is she fit? No.
Is she scary? Yes.

I mean, what would you do if you were walking down a street and then Michelle McManeater (credits to Justina) came running up behind you with a bib, a knife and a fork, and screaming "I'm going to eat you!!!". That would be the most perfect cliché of McManeater.

The only reason she has an album now is that a bunch of brain washed small minded record producers are convinced she is quite popular to talk about, not because she sings. Hell she hasn't even produced a single yet (has she?). I dunno, I walk away whenever she is on television. So i suggest for her sake STOP TRYING. If McManeater is reading this, then letting you know now, step back from the spot light, the more you try and hold onto it with your podgy hands the more people will laugh at you.

If you lose weight, and im talking about 13 stone, then you might get credit. For one I can't look at her. I am so surprised people voted for her in pop idol, and yesa i do believe it was a sympathy vote. BLATENTLY. It only takes one person whos good enough to convince people she deserves to win, and then you find fat people voting for her 30 times. Fucking unbelieveable

RESPECT EVERY1 FOR THEIR OWN MUSICAL AND PERSONAL TASTES. IF EVERY1 WAS THE SAME, LIKED THE SAME THINGS AND SANG THE SAME TYPE OF MUSIC THERE WOULD BE NO AGUMENT HERE. I BELIEVE MICHELLE IS VERY TALENTED AND FOR ALL YOU CRITICS WHO HAVE SLATED HER ON THIS SITE I RESPECT UR VIEWS ALTHOUGH EVERY1 HAS THE RIGHT TO DISAGREE AND SOME OF THE PEOPLES VIEWS OBVIOUSLY SHOW LACK OF INTELLIGENCE. QUOTE FROM "THE SUN" "BIZARRE COLUMN" TUES JAN 6TH : "MICHELLE MCMANUS LOOKS A SAFE BET TO BE NO1 ON SUNDAY WITH HER SINGLE ALL THIS TIME. WOOLWORTHS JIM BACHELOR TOLD ME LAST NIGHT:IT HAS FLOWN OFF THE SHELVES. IF SALES CONTINUE LIKE THIS SHE'S A SURE-FIRE BET FOR THE TOP". IM ABSOLUTELY FED UP AND BORED NOW OF ALL THE INSULTING PERSONAL JIBES REGARDING THE BORING ISSUE OF MICHELLES WEIGHT. WHOEVER POSTS INSULTING SLANG OBVIOUSLY LACKS INTELLIGENCE AND MATURITY.

michelles brill bless her, you sad people out there who cant do anything constructive small minded who just love to slag someone off . she did well like anyone else ..so what if she over weight so what if she bigger than normal pop idols .... time for change you dont she her when ya listenning on the radio, or cd its her voice that counts,, why shouldnt she win ,,,ya just a bunch of jelous arsholes who wouldnt have the talent thenselves to get as far as she has ... and im sure without a dought theres millions out there would agree with me more than the rest of you sad people get a life, people like you that make peoples lives a misery ..ya start by bulling at school you continue to make fun of people at ya first job as ya get older people start to dispise ya and ya die sad and lonely on ya own with noone giving a dame ....harsh words but true...michelle you go girl do ya best ....

HERE HERE SOME GREAT COMMENTS MANDY..I MUST ADMIT
GIVE MICHELLE A BREAK SHE DESERVED TO WIN ON THE NIGHT SHE DONE HER BEST AND PROVED THE ARAGONT MR WATERMAN WRONG GOOD ON HER.. HE SHOULD HAVE MORE RESPECT FOR HER INSTEAD OF WALKING OUT .. SIMON COWEL WILL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF MICHELLE AND HE KNOWS IT ..I PRAISE MR NASTY FOR GIVING THE GIRL A CHANCE ..

what the fcuk is this world coming to? i thought this was a forum for michelle mcmanus, but instead it's a load of bullshitters doing what they do best - gobbing off - michelle IS talented and anyone with half an ear can tell that,
people slag michelle off - but would you have the guts to go on pop idol at all? i am english, and voted for michelle twice because i think she's brilliant, and i would have voted for her with a voice like that wherever she came from, i wish her all the luck in the world and i hope she goes far becasue she had the guts to say "i'm not exacally thin, but i'm i'm gonna do it anyway" you slag of michelle because of her weight, but i thought we - england ireland scotland and wales - were a better country than that, if she couldn't sing she wouldn't have won, over 20 million people voted overall and i think that if that many people voted, they cant all be wrong, can they?

I wish her every success with miming to other peoples songs and releasing at least 1 album. I myself will buy the album in March when it is in the bargain bin in Woolies as I didnt get the coasters I was after for Christmas.

it IS funny slagging off michelle. You know why? Because people like you defend her.

btw she won through sympaphy vote.

Here here to sarah. the woman speaks the truth!! Michele is talented and she should be praised for that not critised abt her weight. I think Simon Cowell did the right thing standing up for her. susanne could not sing and never will be able to so everyone who is saying she can are deaf Michelle was the true pop idol and i am glad she won!!!!!

YOu know what, Michelle won, because she is our pop idol. Hense the name Pop Idol. Do you know another thing? The Lowlife Bozo that owns this site wanted it popular, and we done it for him. People like us defending Michelle made his crappy little forum popular. So if these bunch of saddos want to dis a perfectly good singer let them. When we reply to thier piontless and ass headed slaggings about her, it gives them something to go on about. So screw them and go to a michelle fansite.

Hi, I would just like 2 say that michelle was no way the best singer. I think the whole Pop Idol competition was a fix. What d'ya know as soon as Simon Cowell likes Michelle, all the rivals get voted off. Simon Cowell was the inventor and can do what he likes with the show. The first rival to go was Andy, then Roxanne (who by the way should have won by miles)and Susanne went when she should have at least been in the top three. Then to keep the show still exciting, they keep Sam in till the very last minute, then vote him off. Leaving Michellle to thrash poor, talentless Mark.

im sick n tired of ppl calling us brits 'dumb clotheared brits' i dont see the point.just becoz michelle is from scotland doesnt mean british ppl didnt vote for her!

What a crap site.... anyone who thinks Michelle cant sing is either deaf or dumb or in the case of the guy who has this site..... BOTH.

Okay. Why do I think Michelle can't sing? After all, I've already pointed out that - unlike some of the others who made it through to the final 12 - she can sing in tune.

I should also admit to exaggerating my opinions somewhat as - let's face it - nobody with any real talent made it into the final three. Which is a great shame. But in a country that can vote Westlife's "Mandy" as "Single of the Year", when the only song we'll be hearing from 2003 in a decade's time is Christina Aguilera's "Beautiful", I should hardly be surprised.

And there's one last thing I should admit. Whilst I really can't stand to listen to Michelle's voice, I genuinely hope she succeeds and does well and wish her all the best. But that two million pound record deal she won will go a long way - she'll certainly not be wanting for a deep-fried mars bar anytime soon, eh? ;-)

But why don't I like her voice? For me, it's simple. For a big lass, her voice lacks a remarkable amount of depth. She tends to warble, and frequently veers into adenoidal territory. That's not to say she won't improve - give it a few years, some decent singing lessons, and her voice might really mature into something special - but right now, I can't see her career lasting that long.

But even more problematic, she never sounds committed to a song. She never elevates it beyond the notes she's required to sing - listen to Britney Spear's breakthrough record, "Hit Me Baby One More Time" - she probably doesn't even have half the voice of Michelle, but her commitment to the vocal is astonishing. It elevates the song to something very special indeed. Michelle has not for a moment indicated she's capable of doing that.

So beyond a week or two at the top of the charts with her first single (and probably album), she's got her work cut out to avoid the path to obscurity beaten by "One True Voice".

And for those of you who think I'm running this site purely for your benefit, please don't post. If the ability to hold an adult conversation is beyond you, don't respond. Your inane comments won't be missed.

That is all.

Why do people think that anyone who doesn't like Michelle's voice are wrong? She sings down her nose and Roxanne has a better voice by far. Roxanne was robbed.

Michelle's voice grates on my ears, I used to make a cup of tea when it was her turn on Pop Idol.

There is only one reason why Michelle won; most of the people who voted for her are fat and ugly themselves, they didn't vote because they like her whiny voice. They voted to prove a point. All the fat and lazy greedy guzzling housewives and single mums who slob out on the couch on a Saturday night and watch TV and stuff their fat faces voted for her.

Unfortunately for Simon Cowell, those same women don't buy as many CD's as the teenagers, so he will soon tire of his new novelty act. Thank God!

"And for those of you who think I'm running this site purely for your benefit, please don't post. If the ability to hold an adult conversation is beyond you, don't respond. Your inane comments won't be missed." - chris

your doing a great job of keeping me amused at work. Please, let people be nasty to McManeater

K3vin - yeah, me too :-)

Besides - nothing I can say will stop people posting vacuous dribblings about why Michelle is the best and I am just plain wrong anyway.

But it's my site and I am allowed to vent!

If Women want to move away from their true vocation in life (The Kitchen) and into the Public eye , the least they can do is look Pretty ... As far as I am concerned the fact that she can sing is largely irrelevant , What I want from Female "Singers" is to see them writhing around on the floor , showing plenty of cleavage and Leg , breathing Sexily and keeping themselves nice ... I cannot accept that Michelle could pull this off , so what is the point .. Pass the Bucket

It seems that these days to be a pop star and be in the charts all you need to do is be able to sing..the song writing is secondary therefore you get a handful of song writers employed by record companies churning out bland songs for these people..how I laughed when I found out all 3 finalists had recorded the same song so it could be instantly be released by the winner..I hope Michelle manages to lose her weight for the sake of the other passengers on the cruise ships.

I feel sorry for sclub8 having to use the toillet after her on top of the pops the other week

Michelle does have a powerful voice, but i personally dont think its very nice to listen to. It is baffling to think that she even made it to the final. The same goes for Mark, he's even worse than michelle(obviously).
There were much better singers,performers,lookers than the two disgusting finalists.
But now we will have our radio listening littered with a whine by a fat Celine Dion wannbe!

ps does anybody else think that Michelle looks like the nanny from the cartoon Count Duckula?

all i'll say is at least it's not marc. and she's not gay.

all i can say is all of you useless people who don't appriciate good music should be slapped! Michelle had one of the best voices i have heard in a while although i do think Sam was one of the best Michelle deserved to win!! and also "Mick McManus in Drag" all of the people who voted for her are not all fat and ugly because me and my friend both voted for her and neither of us is fat of ugly!!!

message for k3vin i guess from ur lack of intellegence and sick sence of humour ur into the cheeky girls and sclub8. its ok mate some1 comes along abit more talented (i.e michelle) and ur worried about the competition in the charts. on here count all the support for michelle and weigh it against the people against her....face it ur losing the argument m8! or should i say ur boring comments are!

ABOVE POST FOR THE ATTENTION OF CHRIS

hahahahahaha.

aha

"i guess from ur lack of intellegence and sick sence of humour ur into the cheeky girls and sclub8" - Carl

Well what sort of person do you have to be to enjoy looking at Michelle McUglyPleasePutMeOutOfMyMisery, eh? Wouldn't you rather look at the cheeky girls? Oh right .. your one of those guys that likes looking at fat porkers on stage. It is time for you to stop crying at come to reality ... I am willing to put money down that a good majority of the UK, who were also over weight like Michelle or feel depressed because they are like Michelle in some way feel like she is some burden, and that to put their strong feminist point across they voted atleast 5 times.

There was a reason that Pete walked off stage. Perhaps he was the only sane person in the box.

hahahahahaha.

aha

"i guess from ur lack of intellegence and sick sence of humour ur into the cheeky girls and sclub8" - Carl

Well what sort of person do you have to be to enjoy looking at Michelle McUglyPleasePutMeOutOfMyMisery, eh? Wouldn't you rather look at the cheeky girls? Oh right .. your one of those guys that likes looking at fat porkers on stage. It is time for you to stop crying at come to reality ... I am willing to put money down that a good majority of the UK, who were also over weight like Michelle or feel depressed because they are like Michelle in some way feel like she is some burden, and that to put their strong feminist point across they voted atleast 5 times per week.

There was a reason that Pete walked off stage. Perhaps he was the only sane person in the box.

btw some people are gonna say "haha ur so dumb you spelt AND wrong" (i said 'at' instead). That was a mistake before everyone starts bitching

hey just got 1 thing to say i believe you english tossers are rather jelous that a great scot has finally pulled through for us good on you michelle show these sad english tw*ts wot were made of!!!!!!

I THINK IT'S APPAULING HOW YOU PEOPLE CAN CALL MICHELLE ALL BECAUSE SAM, CHRIS OR MARK DIDN'T WIN! AT THE END OF THE DAY IT'S DOWN TO THE BEST SINGERS AND MICHELLE WAS THE BEST THERE. YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND GET A LIFE. SO WHAT IF PEOPLE ARE FAT, OR EVEN IF THEY'RE THIN. LOOKS DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT'S ON THE INSIDE AND THAT IS WHAT COUNTS.
COULD GUARANTEE IF ONE OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS GOT DIAGNOSED WITH A SERIOUS HEALTH PROBLEM RESULTING IN WEIGHT GAIN YOU WOULDN'T BE SLAGGING THEM OFF!

PS. NO I DIDN'T VOTE FOR MICHELLE AND NO I AM NOT A FAN

Kevin, do you mind? I am egnlish

Kevin, do you mind? I am english

You must feel preety proud that michelle is the best thing scotland has produced.

You must feel pretty proud that McRunThatFatBitchIsGoingToEatYou is the best thing scotland has produced.

You must feel pretty proud that McRunThatFatBitchIsGoingToEatYou is the best thing scotland has produced.

Note to Jay: fuck off.

I'm right.

I am going to stop posting on this forum as it has lost its novelty, and also, due to the large amount of errors i keep making :O

HIP HIP HORRAY GO AWAY!

LOOKS LIKE THIS FORUM WAS DEVELOPED TO "SLAG" MICHELLE WELL WE WONT LET YA M8! AND FOR ANY1 ELSE THERES MORE OF US THAN U! SO BE WARNED....MAYBE MICHELLE WILL READ THIS AND REALISE SHES GOT LOADS OF SUPPORT AND MAY I SAY NOT ONLY UP IN SCOTLAND. OH AND BYE THE WAY K3VIN (HOW OLD R U? CANT EVEN SPELL UR OWN NAME RIGHT MATE????) IM NOT FAT AND I CERTAINLY AINT UGLY. R U? HA HA HA.

Dear "CARL" --

You see that button to the left of the "A" on your keyboard, the one that says "Caps Lock"? Please learn how to use it properly. Otherwise people might think you're thick.

Oh. Too late.

Meanwhile, I never developed this "forum" (ha!) to slag off Michelle. It's my site, my opinions, and I can say whatever the hell I like whether you agree with me or not.

Either way, it's unlikely to force Michelle to sing any better, is it?

In my opinion music is not about having a pitch perfect voice or being the winner of a competition on the telly. Ok Michelle can sing. So f**king what! It doesnt mean your owed a career in music! Its about having something to say, self expression,originality and longevity in the music industry.If someone is telling you what songs to sing, how to sing them, coreographing your movements and telling you what to wear then your not achieving this. I think I speak for the majority of this countries record buying public above the age of puberty as lets face it the record sleeves of most of the pop stars today are almost interchangeable. As with most things once the money men move into something then ultimately it's not about the music anymore just the MONEY.

Her single is the intense humming of evil. Thankyou please.

I'm sure that Michelle can take the Criticism on one of her chins

Ok I said I wouldn't post anything else on this forum but I couldn't resist.

And I changed my name just for you "CARL" (k3vin is my name i use on all forums i post.)

Carl, did it ever cross your mind why you are sticking up for the "Best thing that has ever come out of Scotland" on this web page. For example, it seems you are more desperate to fight on here than I am, apparantly. I walk away and then you call me back by asking if I am fat and ugly and stuff? How pathetic are you? No I ain't fat or ugly, and for your info I'm 17, so why would you take any of my comments seriously ... just a kid.

So ... while I think it is funny joking about her weight and her double chin and her jiggling when she gets dramatic when she sings, your there watching her thinking "IT" is a piece of art. And then you waste time argueing with me.

And I hope Michelle will read this page and realise that I am an asshole towards her, so what. If she is mature enough she won't think anything of it.

How can anyone say Michelle is the best thing out of Scotland? does no one here remember the Krankies?

Apparantly she is the best thing that come out of Scotland...

...ever?

Actually thats not true. Billy Connolly is a fucking king.

Lets not forget Lorraine Kelly and the Proclaimers

Loraine kelly? wtf. She doesn't get on your nerves?

Sarcasm Kevin sarcasm

yeah ... but some people actually like Loraine Kelly and I for one is not good with sarcasm :/

Hello, see all of you arseholes, what a bunch of wankers you English fucks! Yes that's right i am Scottish! And im am very very VERY proud to be a Scot and also ver VERY proud that Michelle won Pop Idol! And good things that came out of Scotland lets see.... The TV a scot made that and the fucking train where would you all be without us Scots NO WHERE! No TV are you joking all you fat ass English would fucking die (i wish)! One other thing the only asshole Scot i know is Tony Blair that's right he was born in Scotland yes and im ashamed to say that!

Oh.. I just realised there is an English person called Jay Well Fuck you for having my name!

Im fucking ashamed at all you PRICKS who seem to be aginst overweight (fat you may say) people! That's a disgrace, total shit there weight doesnt change there personality. I couldnt care if she was 100 stone she is a really good singer and i did vote for her! I don't even like pop (infact i hate it) but for some reason her song touched me! Im a mosher (like a goth if your dumb) so i obviously like rock which is very very different from pop! Im in Glasgow and WD to Michelle and i hope she gets her well deserved Number 1! And Pete Waterman fuck you too arsehole, cock sucking PRICK! And why don't all you assholes grow the fuck up! Bye

Believe us when we say we also don't want to be so close to you scottish fucks. Make your own pop idol so we don't have to endure fat sluts like Michelle McMan.

Best thing to come out of Scotland is she ? Well I wish she would fuck off back there , that would seem to end all of the arguments

Fat sluts? Hm.... Let's see how about her that done Youve been framed and Emerdale whats her name again Lisa summit fat cow i believe am i right yes shes also english do we really have to endure her making shit jokes? And hm.. What about that other "fat" woman in the pop idol last 10 i believe she was english what if she won would you be moaning NO I DONT THINK SO!

you know i think would work? lets make a big wall around scotland so we dont have to put up with them anymore.

Actually that wouldnt work, McMan would just have to run at it and the wall would fall down. Any other suggestions?

Kevin GREAT idea bring the wall back and have the Queen crash into it with her fat arse!

I'm sure Michelles future success will match the track record of her countries in the football World cup.

do we give a shit bout thw world cup NO

do we give a shit bout the world cup NO

Anyway we are good at.. Curling hahaha... Joke!

Sorry English Jay, didnt realise you were on michelles side sorry lol

Whether Michelle is Scottish or English it doesnt matter! it doesnt matter that she's a fat mess and cant sing! why doesnt it not matter? because this time next year you wont know who the fuck she was!

Pete u r a stupid fuck who doesn't know wot he is talking abt!! Jay H now she knows what so is talking abt!!

I don't quite understand you Natz, but anyway. You say "Jay H now she knows what so is talking abt" what? Can you re-type that in English please (no offence) Thank you.

Just wanted to say I don't know why so many people think Suzanne should have won. She was terrible her voice was horrific and she couldn't sing in tune - she shouldn't have even been able to make it into the final 10 and get the royalties from the appauling Xmas cover.

"AND THE WINNER OF POP IDOL 2003 IS.................MICHELLE MCFATCOW!"HAS ANY 1 NOTICE HER NAME HAS 'MC' IN IT JUST LIKE MCDONALDS HAS 'MC' IN IT WELL I THINK SHE WAS BROUGHT UP THERE SHE MUST HAVE EATEN ALL THE 'BIG' MC MEALS OR EVEN THE 'DOUBLE' CHEESE BURGERS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

You think your sooo funny well no cunts laughing! I bet you know someone fat and you like them! Well if you do then SHUT THE FUCK UP!

No Jay you shut the fuck up. It seems that you have all the time in the world to defend McShitSheDoesn'tFitInThisRoom , do you not have a life?

Everyone laughs at McMan so just get over it you scottish bastard.

Michelle Mcmanus is the female equivalent of Rick Waller and we all know how successful he is..would you want a poster of Michelle on your wall? thought not..ok she might be able to sing but she's no pop idol..Natz who are you?..I dont know what you are..thankyou please

Congratulations Michelle for getting to No.1 with 'All This Time'..you have reached the pinnacle of your career! to me it sounds more like a 'No.2' and by the looks of her she hasnt had one of those for a while.

why does it really matter what she looks like?? shes got a good voice,otherwise people wouldnt have voted for her to win.at the end of the day, the real winners are people like simon cowell and crew who get to cash in whilst they exploit the people who really want to succeed in life.everyone has dreams/goals...not everyone acheives them (hence why the english hark on about world cup 66-coz they know they wont win it again!!)

ERRRRRRRRR NO JAY H WHO THE HELL DO U FINK U ARE DO U FANCY FATTY OR SUMMAT U MAKE ME SICK IM NOT SAYIN SHE CANT SING COZ SHE CAN BUT SHE DOESNT LOOK LIKE A POP IDOL I MEAN FOR A POSTER UD HAVE TO USED WALLPAPER TO PUT HER ON UR WALL!!!

I agree with you Jamie it shouldnt matter what she looks like at all..but on 'planet pop' if you want to sell records as a 'pop star' then youve got to look good..sad but true..Of course shes being exploited by the music industry! they all are! if she doesnt get no.1's then she'll be dropped quicker than you can say 'One True Voice'

that paolo is a funny guy!! That fat bird from the telly is one big mumma, I've seen more more meat on her than any other kebab shop in the country and beleive me I've been to quite a few!! She can sing though, but I would rather not hear her than see her fat ass on the tv!!

When you're listening to the radio do you see the person? NO! so does it really matter what she looks like? NO! And lets hope a wall does get put up, coz then we won't have to look at all the ugly english people, nor listen to their "accents"!!! (Btw they r cheap n tacky, mate!)

Also, talk about fat people :
(all english)
Rik Waller, we had to watch him on pop idol AND all the "fat camp" programs
Fast Food Rockers - Gay fuckers. Get a life people who cares about pizza hut, mcdonalds or any other shite that u sing about.
Cheeky girls - r they alive? they look like they have been gased by hilter they r so thin.
Jennifer Ellison - Who cares if u can put ur leg above ur head, its not cool and u look gay doing it.
Gareth gates - St.....t...a.....t..........e offfffff....fff h......i.....mmm
Zoe Birkett - She was thin, but failed to even get into the top 20, (at least michelle will!)
Hear'say - Wherver you go, I hope you'll stay there, it's pure and simple, get away!
One True Voice - Follow your heart somewhere else, mate!
Will Young - who SAYS that he is gay, but also says that he has never had a boyfriend in a recent magazine!
etc, etc, etc

So you see my point, but I also believe this is no longer a 'michelle' forum, but a scotland v england forum, so who's best?

p.s. not e to chris - if you get to express your opinion, then so do we, OKAY?

oh and by the way, it sounds as if you've got an excess few pounds on you:

kebab shop in the country and beleive me I've been to quite a few!!

So seeing as you've been to quite a few, maybe you can explain to us what it's like being fat.

HEY EVERY1 BE AWARE! THE GUY WHO SLAGS MICHELLE OFF K3VIN OR IS IT KEVIN (HE CAN'T EVEN SPELL HIS NAME BY THE WAY....POOR BOY) IS STILL POSTING INSULTING AND CHILDISH REMARKS. I SEE HIS POSTS ARE IN SCHOOL TIME OR IS IT NURSERY? WHO KNOWS?!!!HA!!! ANYWAY PEOPLE, LOOK BACK AND SEE EXACTLY WHAT THIS FOOL IS ALL ABOUT AND HOW DAFT HE REALLY SOUNDS..........LONG LIVE MICHELLE MCMANUS I SAY HA!

I would just like to say to all the SAD English on this site, if you all have nothing better to do than slag of a young girl who is just trying to live her life long dream I really pity you all. Michelle is a lovely singer and what if she was not the best in Pop Idol she is the one the public voted for and as there is a damn site more people in England as there is up here in Scotland somre of yous must have voted for her.

Good point mamamags, and you Kevin Scottish bastard HA here pal i have a dad! Jamie the Welsh wonder fucking GREAT point about the world cup and "ERRRRRRRRR NO JAY H WHO THE HELL DO U FINK U ARE DO U FANCY FATTY OR SUMMAT U MAKE ME SICK" Who the fuck do you think you are asshole? I make you sick what about all you English fannies, yappin' on about how fat she is, as i say are you try to tell me there isn't ONE fat person in your family if so you are talking out of your fat motherfuckin ass! Yes FAT! This forum thingy isnt about Michelle its more about Scotland v England. Why don't you English fud's (Scottish word you English might not understand it) get over the fact that a "fat bitch" WON Pop Idol huh? I don't see you fucking entering Pop Idol, if you hate the people that win then go and fucking enter it yourself if you think your sauch a slim dick and such a great singer GROW THE FUCK UP! What about Gareth Gates where the fuck is he huh not seen him for a while or Will "poofy" Young (not that im against gay people just HIM)

I dont know what all the fuss is about. most of the finalists can sing better than 90% of the country (england or scotland). Fat or thin, ugly or pretty, i dont care how they sing cover songs! None of them play any instrument (except the really weird looking lad). They are by definition "popular", like the ford escort! and no-one thinks that is the best car in the world. My advice is, stop whining that "such and such should not win 'cos they are fat/scots/wailing/female." and start doing something about it!

You dont think someone should be famous? well they wouldn't be if people didnt watch a glorified butlins talent contest.

Ha Ha You are all a bunch of wasters for even worrying about it. I am sure michelle is nice enough as a person. I wont be buying her record because i am not into that kind a thing. I doubt if anyone in this forum can say that she doesnt deserve it. and why the hell is some fat ugly bloke from stoke-on-trent so popular?

The British Public will follow the crowd like a bunch of sheep. So think different! Be yourself, and if that troubles other people, tough titties!

The boss is coming, so bye for now!

So you've all got perfect lives have you? with perfect figures, perfect voices, perfect jobs, perfect Families??????? I could go on, I DOUBT IT!!!! All your negative comments reek of envy and jealousy and if you're all so bloody marvellous where were you when the auditions were running? yeah,,didn't think so, the only thing you're all any good at is slagging off people with an ounce more talent in their little finger than you have in your entire bodies. Michelle Won because people with better taste and judgment than you lot VOTED for her to WIN!!!!!!

PS Michelle has 48 pages X 10 listings per page on Google alone, do the math,. How many pages do you have devoted to you? 1, your own, that you probably set up yourself, because no one gives a toss about your lives.

see if thats the case keep all your fat slut english tarts down there instead of letting them run riot up here taking all decent men away to there brothels down south. :)

i think michelle is GREAT!!!! who cares about the weight its meant 2 be about the singing. when i woke up this morning i was singing her song but now i have forgotten how it goes and im sooooo angry. LOL!!!!!.

The boss has gone again.

maybe people felt sorry for michelle, i dont know, all i know is that brummie drip does not inspire me in the slightest! i would rather listen to stephen hawking rap about the brief history of time than listen to his middle of the road pop.

Lets get people writing good songs themselves, and then letting people all over europe vote for them......oh hang on, thats the eurovision song contest....AAAAAHHHH!

I am going back to my mundane life now. All you other ne'er do wells can pretent you are holier than thou without me!

Toodle pip.

we will soon find out if michelle deserves to win. Will and gareth are slugging it out as we speak, and it would appear will has the upper hand.

Michelle will have to succeed on her merits this time, and the public will vote with record sales instead of 25p texts.

Maybe she could diversify, and go into gangsta rap. Imagine a cover of NWA!

"F*ck the police, comin' straight from the underground, a young scots-lass got it bad cos i'm fat"

A winner in my book!

Now who would like to hear me sing "puff the magic dragon"?

Puff the magic dragon lived by the sea.......(tails off into the background noise of chit chat and banter)

I think its really childish of what you think of Michelle. The girl is a fantastic singer and she had as much right to win Pop Idol as anyone did. Put it this way, would "you" buy a persons single because of the way he or she looks? NO YOU DONT!The girl has an incredible talent and i would love to see anyone who actually created this link, to sing a better note than she does! Leave the poor woman alone and think of something else to post. All the best for 2004 Michelle! xxx

Carl is the biggest dumbass ever. "k3vin" is my alias you dumb fuck, as already explained before I use it on all the forums i post on. But still it seems that my "shallow education" is the base of your arguement. Not bad for someone who can't find the caps lock key.

Anyway. Michelle McOMGHerFatnessHasBlindedMe is a total waste of space. Shes a fat, ugly ignorant pig. I was at work today and I sat down to read the paper and she was in the sun giving away something or other. I had to quickly close the page and run to the nearest church to cleanse my eyes with holy water. It was a close one.

So what, she can sing? That doesn't Necessarily she can sing in tone, in which she can't, so why won't all the Scottish wankers let go to a broken hope. She was never a hope in the first place, infact she only won because she symbolised all the lonely single women in the UK who are fat and stupid so then all those damn loser women voted for her over and over again for the same week. I said it before, and I'll say it again: SHE WON THE SYMPAPHY VOTE.

Ill finish by saying: Fuck Carl, that fucking scottish idiot (I would of said bastard but apparantly he has a dad... wtf Carl you fucking dumbass. Go eat some haggis.)

I would just like to say to one of the above posts. Im from scotland, i dont think english are pigs and that ignorance is rife in this message board. But if we are being honest, michelle mc manus is an okish singer but she just sounds like a kareoke singer you would hear on a saturday night at the pub. Infact i think she is mince. Not just her tho. Pop idol in general makes a mockery of the music industry and is not about the music only about the money. Michelle won the competition because of the self righteous fat people with their phones on redail. I hate pop in general, or what is defined as pop in modern music but Will Young was a true talent and though it pains me to say this even Ga ga ga ga gareth gates was better than all the shit in this latest competition of mediocrity. Thx

Dan

i think she well shud of won she was da best and i think ppl we all live in gr8 britain and scots and english cant get along 2geva i find dat a bit wierd but all i kno is dat michelle mcmanus shud of wn from da start!!!!!!!

Michelle deserved to win - none of this years contenders had that quality which stuck out and with Michelle her voice was the quality - so what if she isn't the 'perfect' pop star, this little thing called the media makes people think that she can't cut it in the music industry because she is larger, if u looked at most of the music videos back in the 80's women were about 12 to a 16 at the most but as time has gone on women have had to get thinner and thinner - ur all a bunch of sheep basically and have very narrow minds!

Michelle shood o wun and she did win!!! nun o yer shite ye mad english cowz hoo the fuk dae u fink yeez r!!! n dont let me cum on this website wen ur sayin stuff aboot michelle like tht n uz r probz overw8 ye mad cowz!!!! n c tht carl guy michelle is much much betta than roxanne!!! mon the scots!!!! fuk the english peepo hoo h8 michelle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michelle shood o wun and she did win!!! nun o yer shite ye mad english cowz hoo the fuk dae u fink yeez r!!! n dont let me cum on this website wen ur sayin stuff aboot michelle like tht n uz r probz overw8 ye mad cowz!!!! n c tht carl guy michelle is much much betta than roxanne!!! mon the scots!!!! fuk the english peepo hoo h8 michelle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think all you people should just grow up and stop slagging her off.
Its no wonder all the overwieght people nowa days either keep them seleves out of other peoples way or physically make them selves ill trying to lose there weight or evem worse, try to hurt thereselves. Its becuase people like you lot about apart from the odd few slag over weight people off and make fun of them.
I for one think michelle is an ace singer she is differant and i dont mean that in physical way i mean she has a differant voice to those people out there now who have a singing career.
I am over wieght and it does get to me i do exercise and i do not eat more than i should do, But will the weight go no it wont? Its been decided that yes its a medical problem an yes hopefully fingers crossed i will be able to shake it off now. I have been taunted for ages but am strong minded an dont let it get to me "that much" but it does sometimes. Michelle is strong minded you can see that but coments like this she can do without. Just all grow up and show her respect as you would like people to show you.